Thursday, August 13, 2015

Church_Militant_Moderator Hatred For The SSPX #5


I dreamed of this one here as Lord and huntsman,
pursing the wolf and the cubs up the mountain
(which blocks the sight of Lucca from the Pisans).

with skinny bitches, well trained and obedient;
he had out in front as leaders of the pack
Gualandi with Sismondi and Lanfranchi.

A short run, and the father with his sons
seemed to grow tired, and then I thought I saw
long fangs sunk deep into their sides, ripped open.
Inferno xxxiii
"A forerunner of the Antichrist, with his troops drawn from many nations, will wage war against the true Christ, sole Savior of the world; he will shed much blood and will seek to annihilate the cult of God so as to be regarded as a god." Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
“J.M.J. 
The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917. 
I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine. 
After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944”.
There will be a forerunner to the Antichrist.

Who is he?
Why does he war against the Church?
How will he earn his title?

Answer:

The forerunner to the Antichrist is Gary Michael Voris or better known as Gary.

Yes, the forerunner to the Antichrist is named Gary. That name in it self is a cosmic joke.

Gary wars against the Church because of his pride.

Gary will earn his title of forerunner to the Antichrist because he will kill the Fatima Pope and the faithful.

Who is the Fatima Pope? Probably a Priest from the SSPX.

This is the reason Gary will kill the Fatima Pope out of his hatred for the SSPX.

Here is documentation (for future generations) of the hatred for the SSPX by Gary and crew:

‘Have Nothing to Do With Them,’ Says Bishop About SSPX  Bishop Morlino has issued a warning about the SSPX

Willing to die for Jesus 
Rod Dreher, of the The American Conservative, wrote an article in July 2014, I can't post the link but it was headed: "If France Stays Catholic, It Will Be Traditionalist" (9th July 2014)

Here's the telling parts of Dreher's analysis, which are also citing links from another source about the (dire) state of French Catholicism, so sad as France has been the Eldest Daughter of the Church... so many French Saints.. it's unspeakably sad:

"Today, in 2014, only two percent of active Catholic priests in France are traditionalists — barely a blip. But if they sustain their present rate of ordinations, and the non-traditionalist priesthood continues its present rate of decline, in the year 2038, more than half the Catholic priests in France will be traditionalists.

That’s 24 years from now, as far into the future from us as 1990 is in the past.

The bad news — catastrophic news, really — is that France will go from having nearly 15,000 active Catholic priests today to having just over 1,000, all within 25 years.

If Catholicism is going to survive in France, it will be because of the Traditionalists. As Centurio puts it:

So in conclusion, if the Roman Catholic faith will be saved from secularism in France, it will be the achievement of the traditional groups of priests celebrating the Traditional Mass such as FSSPX, FSSP and ICRSS.

Archbishop Lefevre’s vindication, seems like."

Personally, I have never attended neither a TLM nor the Lefebvrist-aligned churches (I don't like the word sedevacantist). I was born in the early 80s, I'm Novus Ordo all life. I've been encouraged to look into the TLM and viewed videos and the TLM services aren't far away. I am sympathetic to the majesty beauty of the TLM... because I recall our Eastern Orthodox Sister Churches were pleading with the Second Vatican Council not to drop the Latin Mass, to no avail... and how beautiful the Eastern Liturgies are... and possibly our eventual Re-Communion may bring back the TLM since Protestants, I feel were the reason for the whole "Protestantized" Vat-II problems.. and Protestantism (especially mainline, but even the ever splintering evangelicals going through a crisis right now) have fallen into apostasy with the utterly abominable acceptable of homosexual "marriage", women priestesses and Bishops in the mainstream Canterbury-based Anglican Church, many Lutherans also doing the same.. so I keep on saying Catholics please focus East... and pray for an end to the Schism.. we are the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. We need to be re-united. The Great Schism is scandalous, but we both share Apostolic Succession, I'm preaching to the choir here, not a Protestant sect website I know.

Church_Militant_Moderator Mod To  Willing to die for Jesus 
No matter how much evil in the Church you wish to document, the response of schism is still a sinful and evil response to it.

Tuesday, August 11, 2015

Athanasius Schneider Versus Fr. Paul Nicholson On The SSPX LOL!!!

Athanasius Schneider and Paul Nicholson

Adelante la Fe: Your Excellence has recently visited the SSPX [seminaries] in the United States and France. We know it was a “discreet” meeting but, can you make an evaluation for us of what you saw and talked with them about? What expectations do you have of a coming reconciliation and which would be the main obstacle for it?



Mons. Schneider: The Holy See asked me to visit the two [seminaries] of the SSPX in order to conduct a discussion on a specific theological topic with a group of theologians of the SSPX and with His Excellency Bishop Fellay. For me this fact shows that for the Holy See the SSSPX is not a negligible ecclesiastical reality and that it has to be taken seriously. I am keeping a good impression of my visits. I could observe a sound theological, spiritual and human reality in the two [seminaries]. The “sentire cum ecclesia” of the SSPX is shown by the fact that I was received as an envoy of the Holy See with true respect and with cordiality. Furthermore, I was glad to see in both places in the entrance area a photo of Pope Francis, the reigning Pontiff. In the sacristies there were plates with the name of Pope Francis and the local diocesan bishop. I was moved to assist the traditional chant for the Pope (“Oremus pro pontifice nostro Francisco…”) during the solemn exposition of the Blessed Sacrament.

To my knowledge there are no weighty reasons in order to deny the clergy and faithful of the SSPX the official canonical recognition, meanwhile they should be accepted as they are. This was indeed Archbishop Lefebvre’s petition to the Holy See: “Accept us as we are”.

I think the issue of Vatican II should not be taken as the “conditio sine qua non”, since it was an assembly with primarily pastoral aims and characteristics. A part of the conciliar statements reflects only its time and possesses a temporary value, as disciplinary and pastoral documents do. When we look in a two millennia old perspective of the Church, we can state, that there is on both sides (Holy See and the SSPX) an over-evaluation and over-estimation of a pastoral reality in the Church, which is Vatican II.

When the SSPX believes, worship and conducts a moral [life] as it was demanded and recognized by the Supreme Magisterium and was observed universally in the Church during a centuries long period and when the SSPX recognizes the legitimacy of the Pope and the diocesan bishops and prays for them publicly and recognizes also the validity of the sacraments according to the editio typica of the new liturgical books, this should suffice for a canonical recognition of the SSPX on behalf of the Holy See. Otherwise the often repeated pastoral and ecumenical openness in the Church of our days will manifestly lose its credibility and the history will one day reproach to the ecclesiastical authorities of our days that they have “laid on the brothers greater burden than required” (cf. Acts 15:28), which is contrary to the pastoral method of the Apostles.

Monday, August 10, 2015

MAN ERUPTS DURING CATHOLIC CLIMATE CHANGE MEETING. WANTS HIS CHURCH BACK.



“Evil books will be abundant on earth and the sprits of darkness will spread everywhere a universal slackening of all that concerns the service of God. They will have great power over Nature: there will be churches built to serve these spirits. People will be transported from one place to another by these evil spirits, even priests, for they will not have been guided by the good spirit of the Gospel which is a spirit of humility, charity and zeal for the glory of God. Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)

MARIA OF THE CROSS, 
Victim of Jesus nee MELANIE CALVAT, 
Shepherdess of La Salette
"I protest highly against a different text, which people may dare publish after my death. I protest once more against the very false statements of all those who dare say and write First that I embroidered the Secret; second, against those who state that the Queen Mother did not say to transmit the Secret to all her people." Melanie 

Sunday, August 9, 2015

Pope Francis + Andrea Bocelli + Amazing Grace July 2015 VERSUS Michael Voris Commentary On Amazing Grace May 2010 LOL!!

Church_Militant_Moderator Hatred For The SSPX #4


I dreamed of this one here as Lord and huntsman,
pursing the wolf and the cubs up the mountain
(which blocks the sight of Lucca from the Pisans).

with skinny bitches, well trained and obedient;
he had out in front as leaders of the pack
Gualandi with Sismondi and Lanfranchi.

A short run, and the father with his sons
seemed to grow tired, and then I thought I saw
long fangs sunk deep into their sides, ripped open.
Inferno xxxiii
"A forerunner of the Antichrist, with his troops drawn from many nations, will wage war against the true Christ, sole Savior of the world; he will shed much blood and will seek to annihilate the cult of God so as to be regarded as a god." Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
“J.M.J. 
The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917. 
I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine. 
After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944”.
There will be a forerunner to the Antichrist.

Who is he?
Why does he war against the Church?
How will he earn his title?

Answer:

The forerunner to the Antichrist is Gary Michael Voris or better known as Gary.

Yes, the forerunner to the Antichrist is named Gary. That name in it self is a cosmic joke.

Gary wars against the Church because of his pride.

Gary will earn his title of forerunner to the Antichrist because he will kill the Fatima Pope and the faithful.

Who is the Fatima Pope? Probably a Priest from the SSPX.

This is the reason Gary will kill the Fatima Pope out of his hatred for the SSPX.

Here is documentation (for future generations) of the hatred for the SSPX by Gary and crew:

‘Have Nothing to Do With Them,’ Says Bishop About SSPX  Bishop Morlino has issued a warning about the SSPX

wayne costello
why aren't the clergy as vociferous and assertive about condemning abortion as they are about faithful Catholics? I accept the criticism labelled against the sspx but I find it distasteful that more time tends to be devoted to those who are fellow brothers and sisters in Christ professing absolute values in accordance with Christ's teachings yet liberal sections of the Church receive disproportionate or no criticism. I have come across websites who label themselves Catholic yet promote the right to choose abortion or demand women priests, same sex marriage ceremonies to take place in Churches etc where is the condemnation of these heretics? The liberal conservative schism is already happening whether the Vatican like it or not and because the curia is largely operated by liberal relativists who want a charismatic ala carte religion emphasising non absolutes contrary to the teachings of Christ. I recognise that one should love the sinner and not the sin, and as a perpetual sinner myself by virtue of my fallibility as a human being I believe that to be a noble position but what seems to be lost is the issue of the dichotomy between sin and sinner. The Church seems to promote a variant of tolerance forgetting that tolerance by definition requires dislike of the object itself. Moreover, when Jesus healed sinners he disnt stop there but cried " go sin no more", that part of the narrative seems to be conveniently forgotten. We seem to have a Church that promotes the reception of the sacraments absent meaning and grace. We have silence in the Church when liberal "catholic" ( lower case emphasised) politicians and advocates proudly support heinous acts abortion without sanction in the form of ex communication from the Church...why? because the hierarchy are invariably a pool of libertarians that have no stomach to fight for what is right but rather promote those causes by omission and silence in the meantime 3300 little souls die daily. How many Bishops have criticised Amnesty International and their pro abortion stance which changed since 2007 ( prior to that they were still guilty by omission and sitting on the fence neutral policy. Amnesty's official policy is that they "do not promote abortion as a universal right" but "support the decriminalisation of abortion....The Church issued a lukewarm condemnation centrally from the Vatican yet where is the real opposition? Yet, the hierarchy have no problem lambasting certain traditionalist Catholics ( I accept the criticism labelled against the sspx and its condemnation of V2)? In my own jurisdiction, Ireland , we have an ineffective poor leadership that has allowed abortion, soon to be on demand in my opinion, to prevail while idiotic heretical politicians who supported the policy to freely receive communion. What we need is a man of courage and integrity to inherit the Petrine legacy which is founded on martyrdom. These days many modern clergymen wouldn't like their personality criticised let alone give their lives for Christ ( ps I am not advocating violence but rather a return to passion the same demonstrated by Christ preceding his crucifixion.

Church_Militant_Moderator Mod To wayne costello
Yes, bishops should be addressing these other important issues, and they are not. But that doesn't mean it is wrong to address an issue as important as schism, which is the devil's particular temptation for the pious.

Many souls are already lost to sins of the flesh. It is important for bishops to address issues like the SSPX because they often tempt "the best and the brightest" to leave the Church, weakening the Church Militant in the battle against evil.

The pious are deceived by schism and false apparitions / private revelations. This is why these apparently smaller issues get the attention of bishops.

wayne costello To Church_Militant_Moderator
I never said it was wrong...I said they don't approach these issues with same vociferousness and veracity. As for the SSPX tempting the faithful away is analogous to blaming the mistress for the infidelity instead of the state of the marriage...a happy marriage means no one will leave...tempted perhaps but not leave. The Church is weak and has become obsessed with popularity. I would much prefer a small but devoted Church that stood for something rather than a popular one that stood for nothing. The Prussian KIng Frederick II once remarked " to stand for everything mean to stand for nothing" which seems to be the adopted stance of the Church on social and moral issues. I accept there must be a Church to survive in the first place to promote righteousness but by the same token tiny Innocents lost to abortion cannot even be determined "brightest and best " as they aren't given the chance to develop and exit the womb in one piece.. The pious are deceived by a lot including their own ego and pride . The distortion of the truth and morality inherent in natural law and justice discoverable only through reason as espoused by a great father of the Church Tomas Aquinas is not being taught in schools nor the topic of sermons. Where is the catechism? we only read about diluted distorted versions through the prism of a politically correct Church . The Church will survive even if it is whittled down to a few devotees.. in the same way it started with Christ and the apostles but in that it was its purest.....little fetus wont have the opportunity to have their voice heard let alone discuss or defend against a schism.

Consuelo
The SSPX is in communion with Rome. As a member of this society, I can assure you, that we are not sedevancantists, but we do not accept the V II. Rumor has it that we are schismatics, but unlike the sedevancantists, Mons.Fellay is seeking to build better relationships with Rome, so he's really doing something about it. the Pope is currently dealing with these matters.

Church_Militant_Moderator Mod To Consuelo
If the SSPX is in communion with Rome, they sure have an odd way of showing it! No, they are not sedevacantists in principle, but they are in practice.

"The SSPX, for all their many good qualities, are not faithful Roman Catholics because communion with the Chair of Peter is a constitutive part of Roman Catholicism, something the SSPX accepts in principle but rejects in practice. They have "no canonical status," "no legitimate ministry," are "invited to rediscover the path to full communion," have no faculties from any bishop, are not part of the divinely ordained hierarchical structure of the Church, and all their priests are suspended a divinis. No individual or group can seriously claim to be Catholic and have all this true of themselves."

http://www.churchmilitant.com/...


Church_Militant_Moderator Hatred For The SSPX #3


I dreamed of this one here as Lord and huntsman,
pursing the wolf and the cubs up the mountain
(which blocks the sight of Lucca from the Pisans).

with skinny bitches, well trained and obedient;
he had out in front as leaders of the pack
Gualandi with Sismondi and Lanfranchi.

A short run, and the father with his sons
seemed to grow tired, and then I thought I saw
long fangs sunk deep into their sides, ripped open.
Inferno xxxiii
"A forerunner of the Antichrist, with his troops drawn from many nations, will wage war against the true Christ, sole Savior of the world; he will shed much blood and will seek to annihilate the cult of God so as to be regarded as a god." Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
“J.M.J. 
The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917. 
I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine. 
After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944”.
There will be a forerunner to the Antichrist.

Who is he?
Why does he war against the Church?
How will he earn his title?

Answer:

The forerunner to the Antichrist is Gary Michael Voris or better known as Gary.

Yes, the forerunner to the Antichrist is named Gary. That name in it self is a cosmic joke.

Gary wars against the Church because of his pride.

Gary will earn his title of forerunner to the Antichrist because he will kill the Fatima Pope and the faithful.

Who is the Fatima Pope? Probably a Priest from the SSPX.

This is the reason Gary will kill the Fatima Pope out of his hatred for the SSPX.

Here is documentation (for future generations) of the hatred for the SSPX by Gary and crew:

‘Have Nothing to Do With Them,’ Says Bishop About SSPX  Bishop Morlino has issued a warning about the SSPX


Michael Bukala
This group is trying to hold on to the true faith. since Vatican II, the church has been a mess. We have her radical Cardinals, bishops and priests. We have so much disrespect for the Blessed Sacrament. We have a pope who ignores the Rubrics of Holy Thursday Mass and washes the feet of non Christians and feet of women. Francis says he does not have the right to judge, but he does, as a Vicar of Christ. We have lost our moral compass. It seems Francis is preparing the way for the new anti-church that John II, warned us about. Also, our Lady of LaSalette said that Rome lose the faith and become the seat of the Anti-christ. With about 24 percent of Catholics attending Mass each week, I think the Antichrist will sit on a throne of Peter during my lifetime. Thus completing the prophecies of Our Lady of LaSalette, Fatima and our Lady of Akita.

EndTimes101 To Michael Bukala
"I think the Antichrist will sit on a throne of Peter during my lifetime"

I think he may already be there!!! Well his sidekick anyway. Wake up CMTV!

Church_Militant_Moderator Mod To Michael Bukala
"This group is trying to hold on to the true faith."

True. But you don't do it by leaving the Church through refusal to submit to the Roman Pontiff, which is the definition of schism (Canon 751).


Church_Militant_Moderator Hatred For The SSPX #2


I dreamed of this one here as Lord and huntsman,
pursing the wolf and the cubs up the mountain
(which blocks the sight of Lucca from the Pisans).

with skinny bitches, well trained and obedient;
he had out in front as leaders of the pack
Gualandi with Sismondi and Lanfranchi.

A short run, and the father with his sons
seemed to grow tired, and then I thought I saw
long fangs sunk deep into their sides, ripped open.
Inferno xxxiii
"A forerunner of the Antichrist, with his troops drawn from many nations, will wage war against the true Christ, sole Savior of the world; he will shed much blood and will seek to annihilate the cult of God so as to be regarded as a god." Our Lady of La Salette 19 Sept. 1846 (Published by Mélanie 1879)
“J.M.J. 
The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917. 
I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine. 
After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944”.
There will be a forerunner to the Antichrist.

Who is he?
Why does he war against the Church?
How will he earn his title?

Answer:

The forerunner to the Antichrist is Gary Michael Voris or better known as Gary.

Yes, the forerunner to the Antichrist is named Gary. That name in it self is a cosmic joke.

Gary wars against the Church because of his pride.

Gary will earn his title of forerunner to the Antichrist because he will kill the Fatima Pope and the faithful.

Who is the Fatima Pope? Probably a Priest from the SSPX.

This is the reason Gary will kill the Fatima Pope out of his hatred for the SSPX.

Here is documentation (for future generations) of the hatred for the SSPX by Gary and crew:

‘Have Nothing to Do With Them,’ Says Bishop About SSPX  Bishop Morlino has issued a warning about the SSPX


Sancho Panza
First of all, I am not a member of an SSPX congregation, I have never attended any of their servces, and I don't personally know anyone connected with them. My entire knowledge of them is based on what I have read and heard on the internet from all perspectives.

Bishop Morlino's point 1) the Legislator (the Pope) and the bishops with him don't think there is a state of emergency, strictly speaking, begs the question.

The whole SSPX issue hinges on the state of emergency argument put forward by AB Lefebvre and based on canon law 1323:4f : "No one is liable to a penalty who, when violating a law or precept: 4ƒ acted under the compulsion of grave fear, even if only relative, or by reason of necessity or grave inconvenience, unless, however, the act is intrinsically evil or tends to be harmful to souls."

Yes, SSPX appear, prima facie, to be in schism, but this judgement would be nullified if Lefebvre's claims were vindicated in time. I think we are all still too close in time to the fateful events in question to call it and I think that is why the authorities in Rome, especially under BXVI, have not moved against them in any decisive way but on the contrary, have opened channels of rapprochement. Pope Francis continues with the same policy.

Let us consider the hypocrisy of a situation where there are certain prelates who are formally submitted to the Pope and the Magisterium, and yet, in their daily words and deeds they are heretics and schismatics and give grave scandal. CM is tireless in documenting their antics and so we don't need to name any names here. On the other hand, AB Lefebvre was probably the most theologically, morally and liturgically orthodox prelate of the second half of the 20th century, yet on some (disputed) legal technicalities he is to be condemned as a schismatic? There is something not quite right about this state of affairs.

However, it's all way above my pay grade and I am very lucky to be able to attend a diocesan Latin mass run by very fine, orthodox priests of FSSP, but a part of me has a terrible sense of foreboding about the near and middle future as things continue to spiral further away from orthodoxy in the main body of the Church. Will it eventually turn out that AB Lefebvre was the canary in the mineshaft?

RESPONSE

Church_Militant_Moderator Mod to Sancho Panza 
Conflicting interpretations of Canon Law are resolved by the judgement of the Supreme Legislator, from whose decisions there is no appeal. If the Supreme Legislator judges that there is not a state of emergency as envisioned by Canon Law, then there is no state of emergency! The Supreme Legislator is not bound by Canon Law, else it would be possible to appeal his decisions.

The highly self-serving interpretations and applications of Canon Law by the Society allow one to justify almost any action whatsoever short of intrinsic evil by appeal to little more than "I thought it was the right thing to do." Subjective factors may, indeed, mitigate personal culpability and, therefore, application of certain penalties, but they cannot mitigate the requirement to submit to the decisions of the Supreme Legislator and those to whom he delegates his authority.

The SSPX have consistently refused the most generous and magnanimous invitations from the Church to reconcile and place themselves under the authority of the Vicar of Christ, rejecting his dogmatically defined “full power of shepherding, ruling and governing the universal Church,” a power "ordinary and immediate over all the churches and over each and every member of the faithful" ( see our FAQ http://www.churchmilitant.com/... )

There is much in the Society's critique of the crisis in the Church that has already been vindicated. What can never be vindicated is their decision to refuse to submit to the Roman Pontiff, the very essence of the canonical definition of schism. Even if Archbishop Lefebvre was the "canary in the mineshaft," the decision to break communion with the Church as response is sinful and evil. Have you ever read some of his actual words about the Church and schism? They are shocking, even for a "canary"! (See http://www.churchmilitant.tv/f... )